@redneck_happy I mean opposing your colonialist monarchy seems good to me. the founding fathers were not universally good by any means -- I'm not trying to put American on a pedestal or anything -- but the Revolution itself was, I'd argue, good.
@redneck_happy would America have been a lot better if they had banned slavery and racial discrimination from the getgo (there were, in fact, abolitionists during the revolution) and had a system of government that wasn't so easily co-opted by fascists? yes. obviously. but was the Revolution itself bad? I don't think so
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@redneck_happy I think calling the historic US gov't fascist is unhelpful -- not cuz I think it was good, but because I think a Capitalist Democracy is perfectly capable of being bad without being fascist. and while the Andrew Jackson era US was certainly evil and racist, I don't think it met all the criteria of fascism -- they didn't have some past they were idolizing and trying to return to like fascists do, for one.
@jacethechicken I didn’t call the historic gov fascist, or I did not intend to. I don’t read what I said as saying that but I could’ve explained myself better probably.